Sunday, March 15, 2015

Chapters 3-5

CHAPTER 3 – ‘HUTS ON THE BEACH’– PLOT SUMMARY
Carrying a stick sharpened into a makeshift spear, Jack trails a pig through the thick jungle, but it evades him. Irritated, he walks back to the beach, where he finds Ralph and Simon at work building huts for the younger boys to live in. Ralph is irritated because the huts keep falling down before they are completed and because, though the huts are vital to the boys’ ability to live on the island, none of the other boys besides Simon will help him. As Ralph and Simon work, most of the other boys splash about and play in the lagoon. Ralph gripes that few of the boys are doing any work. He says that all the boys act excited and energized by the plans they make at meetings, but none of them is willing to work to make the plans successful. Ralph points out that Jack’s hunters have failed to catch a single pig. Jack claims that although they have so far failed to bring down a pig, they will soon have more success. Ralph also worries about the smaller children, many of whom have nightmares and are unable to sleep. He tells Jack about his concerns, but Jack, still trying to think of ways to kill a pig, is not interested in Ralph’s problems. http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/flies/section3.rhtml

CHAPTER 4 – ‘PAINTED FACES AND LONG HAIR’– PLOT SUMMARY
Life on the island soon develops a daily rhythm. Morning is pleasant…By afternoon, though, the sun becomes oppressively hot, and some of the …are often troubled by bizarre images that seem to flicker over the water. Piggy dismisses these images as mirages caused by sunlight striking the water. Evening brings cooler temperatures again, but darkness falls quickly, and nighttime is frightening and difficult.
The littluns, who spend most of their days eating fruit and playing with one another, are particularly troubled by visions and bad dreams…Although the littluns’ lives are largely separate from those of the older boys, there are a few instances when the older boys torment the littluns…
Jack, obsessed with the idea of killing a pig, camouflages his face with clay and charcoal and enters the jungle to hunt, accompanied by several other boys. On the beach, Ralph and Piggy see a ship on the horizon—but they also see that the signal fire has gone out. They hurry to the top of the hill, but it is too late to rekindle the flame, and the ship does not come for them. Ralph is furious with Jack, because it was the hunters’ responsibility to see that the fire was maintained.
Jack and the hunters return from the jungle, covered with blood and chanting a bizarre song. They carry a dead pig on a stake between them. Furious at the hunters’ irresponsibility, Ralph accosts Jack about the signal fire. The hunters, having actually managed to catch and kill a pig, are so excited and crazed with bloodlust that they barely hear Ralph’s complaints. When Piggy shrilly complains about the hunters’ immaturity, Jack slaps him hard, breaking one of the lenses of his glasses. Jack taunts Piggy by mimicking his whining voice. Ralph and Jack have a heated conversation. At last, Jack admits his responsibility in the failure of the signal fire but never apologizes to Piggy. Ralph goes to Piggy to use his glasses to light a fire, and at that moment, Jack’s friendly feelings toward Ralph change to resentment. The boys roast the pig, and the hunters dance wildly around the fire, singing and reenacting the savagery of the hunt. Ralph declares that he is calling a meeting and stalks down the hill toward the beach alone. http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/flies/section4.rhtml

CHAPTER 5 – ‘BEAST FROM THE WATER’– PLOT SUMMARY
As Ralph walks along the beach, he thinks about how much of life is an…Ralph is frustrated with his hair, which is now long, mangy, and always manages to fall in front of his eyes. He decides to call a meeting to attempt to bring the group back into line. Late in the evening, he blows the conch shell, and the boys gather on the beach.
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At the meeting place, Ralph grips the conch shell and berates the boys for their failure to uphold the group’s rules. They have not done anything required of them: they refuse to work at building shelters, they do not gather drinking water, they neglect the signal fire, and they do not even use the designated toilet area…Ralph says there are no monsters on the island. Jack likewise maintains that there is no beast, saying that everyone gets frightened and it is just a matter of putting up with it. Piggy seconds Ralph’s rational claim, but a ripple of fear runs through the group nonetheless.
One of the littluns speaks up and claims that he has actually seen a beast. When the others press him and ask where it could hide during the daytime, he suggests that it might come up from the ocean at night. This previously unthought-of explanation terrifies all the boys, and the meeting plunges into chaos. Suddenly, Jack proclaims that if there is a beast, he and his hunters will hunt it down and kill it. Jack torments Piggy and runs away, and many of the other boys run after him. Eventually, only Ralph, Piggy, and Simon are left. In the distance, the hunters who have followed Jack dance and chant.
Piggy urges Ralph to blow the conch shell and summon the boys back to the group, but Ralph is afraid that the summons will go ignored and that any vestige of order will then disintegrate. He tells Piggy and Simon that he might relinquish leadership of the group, but his friends reassure him that the boys need his guidance. As the group drifts off to sleep, the sound of a littlun crying echoes along the beach. http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/flies/section5.rhtml

BLOG QUESTION – Post your answer in class blog comment section by Wednesday 3/18/15
What is the cause of the growing conflict between Ralph and Jack? What is Ralph’s main complaint? What is Jack’s argument? Do the boys try to resolve this conflict, and if so, how?
BLOG QUESTION – Post your answer in class blog comment section by Friday 3/20/15
"In a moment the platform was full of arguing, gesticulating shadows. To Ralph, seated, this seemed the breaking up of sanity." How is sanity defined? How does this novel contribute to an understanding of sanity and of madness? What are some other instances of madness in the novel?

33 comments:

  1. Ralph is mad at Jack because he and the hunters haven't caught one pig and no one has tried to help build shelter. Also Ralph is mad at them because when he and piggy saw a boat at sea the signal was not on. So the boat didn't come. So Ralph blames it on Jack which later on changed Ralph's and Jack's relationship. In the book there conflicts don't get resolved much because Jack tries to take control of the group. By persuading the boys if there is a beast he will hunt it and kill it.

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  2. Ralph shouldn't be mad at jack, it was his first time killing an animal, he was just nervous, it's not easy killing a live animal

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  4. Basically Ralph is furious because Jack and the other children did not capture the pig. Then later on in the story Ralph and Piggy discovers a boat, but then realised that the (light?) Signal was not on. Which causes Ralph to point fingers at Jack. Jack well he is mad. However, he is determine to catch the pig. I think that the relation between Ralph and Jack would not be or get better for the next couple of chapter because all that comes out of their mouths are negativity.

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  6. Ralph is very irritated because he isn't able to build a hut because the other boys aren't there to help him. He complains to jack that his hunters haven't caught any food and the smaller children are unsafe. Jack says that his hunters would be come for successful in the future. Jack doesn't care about Ralph and his problem and focuses on getting a pig. Therefore, not resolving their conflict.

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  7. The main conflicts here are Raplh is mad because Jack was unable to catch a pig as well as no one helped or tried to help build the shelter. Raplh begins to point fingers at everyone, I believe Jack and Ralph are trying to compete against each other. You can pick up jacks wants / wanted to be the leader. I think Ralph is trying to prove he is a way better leader than Jack would have ever been.

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    1. But how exactly did you come up with that conclusion even though they are arguing. Jack and Ralph are just doing what they are suppose to do.

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  8. The cause of the growing conflict is still that both Ralph and Jack want to lead the group of boys. The boys are not helping him with the work is Ralph complaint.
    Jacks argument is that regardless of the fact, that no pigs have been cached , they will soon have more success. The boys do Not try to resolve this conflict because their can't agree.

    Annah I agree with what you're saying about Ralph being furious about the lack of food source. I believe he feels this way because he is the only one making their group discussions come into action.

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  9. The Conflict With Ralph And Jack Is That They Want To Both Become Leaders But They Can't Because Ralph Was Already Voted For The Leader.

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    1. I disagree with you because the main issue, in chapter three, was not of leadership but rather the priorities that the group had to settle. Ralph was worried about not being rescued and shelter for the group while Jack wanted meat for the group and didn't want to be rescued until he killed a pig.

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  10. I disagree with you because I think it's that Ralph is trying to make huts for the younger boys but no one else is helping except for Simon. Jack thinks that they need to hunt and doesn't really care what Ralph is saying,he tries to explain to Jack that it is hard to build the huts and Jack says that he is also hunting for pigs but Ralph sees it as Jack having fun. To Ralph the huts symbolize a home. Even though they still disagree they stop arguing and Jack goes to the top of the mountain.

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  11. The conflict is that Ralph and jack both want to be leader, but Ralph had been voted for. & also Ralph was angry because jack was unable to catch the pig. Also no one tried to help build the hut/shelter. The boys don't help resolve the conflict because they can't agree on one thing.

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  12. The main conflict of Ralph and Jack is that Ralph wants to build huts for shelter and Jack wants to hunt pigs for meat. Ralph's main complaint is that Jack and his hunters weren't able to sustain the fire that was used for smoke signals. Jack's argument was that whenever they hunt, they feel like they are being hunted and the only way to relieve this feeling was to kill a pig. Also, Jack and his hunters desperately wanted meat. The boys resolve this conflict by going to the bathing pool and shouting, splashing, and laughing until they were brought together again.

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  13. Sanity is defined by the group's ability to get things straight without bringing up fresh and unpleasant matter. Fear, beasts, and arguments about the fire would be insignificant towards the group. This novel contributes towards the understanding of sanity and madness by showing that the basis of sanity is composed of being brave and having the ability to fully solve problems. However, madness is composed of fear from the unknown and the inability to solve problems with logic. One instance of madness is on page ninety-one where Jack tries to solve the problem of the meeting by exclaiming that the rules were idiotic even though Ralph explained that the rules was all they had.

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  14. The cause of the growing conflict between Ralph and Jack is that they both have different opinions on what they think is important to do first. Ralph thinks that they need to build huts first. However, Jack says that they need to hunt for pigs so that they can eat. Ralph's main complaint is that the huts he builds keep falling down and none of the other boys will help him besides Simon. He says that the rest of the boys might be using hunting as an excuse to not help with building the huts. Jack argues that he hasn't caught a pig for food and the pig he was running after evaded him. The boys try to resolve their differences by going to the lagoon to swim together, but their conflicts remain and do not go away.

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  15. The conflict that lingers between Ralph and Jack is that Ralph wants to build shelter or huts for the group.Jacks only priority is hunting pigs for food supply,his hunters have not catched a single pig due to failure.Ralph points out that the younger hunters are having nightmare and they're also unable to contain the fire.As Ralph shares his concerns,Jack is more interested in killing pigs.The conflict is rectified when the boys go to the lagoon and play.

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  16. The main conflict between Ralph and Jack was their ideas of settlement. Ralph believes shelter is an important aspect to have in order to survive on the island. Jack believes catching a pig is more important. The boys don't resolve their issue, even though they were having fun among each other.

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  17. Sanity Is Defined By the groups ability to bring up things that don't need to unnecessary information. The Things that understand fear and madness is by what is out there in the jungle they are in. Madness is when Ralph Gets mad at jack for taking long to kill a pig

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    1. I agree with this because they are symbolizing madness when Raplh begins to get frustrated at Jack and the other boys over the small things. Since the boys are already experincing madness so early in the book it just shows the possibilities of conflicts the boys are going to face in time as the book progresses.

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  18. The cause of the growing conflict between Ralph and Jack is that Ralph is doing is everything while the others and Jack are just enjoying themselves. Ralphs main complaint is that the boys were unable to catch a pig. I don’t think the boys will resolve this because they keep being negative towards each other.

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  19. According to the Webster dictionary sanity is defined as "The condition of having a healthy mind and the condition of being based on reason or good judgement."

    I believe the character ralph in this novel contribute to an understanding of sanity and madness. For example, he was really rational and thoughtful putting his plans into actions yet in time he started to conform with everyone else which lead to the death of pigs something that makes him sick to even think about,killing a pig.

    Some other instances of madness in the novel. Is when there were a fire in the island. Although Ralph wasn't content about the situation Jack was oblivious to that and implying that he should have made the fire last longer. Another instance, is when Jack and Ralph was arguing. Both of them not being able to get along shows the lack of team wor between both leaders.

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  20. According to the Webster dictionary sanity is defined as "The condition of having a healthy mind and the condition of being based on reason or good judgement."

    I believe the character ralph in this novel contribute to an understanding of sanity and madness. For example, he was really rational and thoughtful putting his plans into actions yet in time he started to conform with everyone else which lead to the death of pigs something that makes him sick to even think about,killing a pig.

    Some other instances of madness in the novel. Is when there were a fire in the island. Although Ralph wasn't content about the situation Jack was oblivious to that and implying that he should have made the fire last longer. Another instance, is when Jack and Ralph was arguing. Both of them not being able to get along shows the lack of team wor between both leaders.

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  21. According to the Webster dictionary sanity is defined as "The condition of having a healthy mind and the condition of being based on reason or good judgement."

    I believe the character ralph in this novel contribute to an understanding of sanity and madness. For example, he was really rational and thoughtful putting his plans into actions yet in time he started to conform with everyone else which lead to the death of pigs something that makes him sick to even think about,killing a pig.

    Some other instances of madness in the novel. Is when there were a fire in the island. Although Ralph wasn't content about the situation Jack was oblivious to that and implying that he should have made the fire last longer. Another instance, is when Jack and Ralph was arguing. Both of them not being able to get along shows the lack of team work between both leaders.

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  22. According to the Webster dictionary sanity is defined as "The condition of having a healthy mind and the condition of being based on reason or good judgement."

    I believe the character ralph in this novel contribute to an understanding of sanity and madness. For example, he was really rational and thoughtful putting his plans into actions yet in time he started to conform with everyone else which lead to the death of pigs something that makes him sick to even think about,killing a pig.

    Some other instances of madness in the novel. Is when there were a fire in the island. Although Ralph wasn't content about the situation Jack was oblivious to that and implying that he should have made the fire last longer. Another instance, is when Jack and Ralph was arguing. Both of them not being able to get along shows the lack of team work between both leaders.

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  23. Sanity can be defined as being able to behave normal and like Kea said,have good judgement. In the novel the understanding of sanity and madness is different because they are trying to remain calm like when Ralph blows the conch there is order and they are able to discuss their problems,but the little kids think that there is a monster and that makes everyone go crazy. Also how Ralph starts to scream at Jack because he is so tired of building huts while Jack is off hunting. Ralph is also desperate to get rescued and this also brings about the anxiety he feels when he realizes that their only chance was lost because of Jack. The boys are having conflicts not because they are not sane(for now) but because they are still too immature to decide on their entire lives and especially for Ralph,on the lives of many other kids.

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    1. I agree with you, because now that everyone is arguing, there isn't any sanity.

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  24. The word sanity can be defined as "the state of being sane; soundness of judgement" according to Dictionary.com. The novel contributes to the understanding of sanity and madness because as the days pass, the boys are becoming more disorganized. They are adapting to the island and they way they have to live there.

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  25. In Lord of the flies, sanity is defined by people in a group getting along without any arguments. The novel contributes to an understanding of sanity because in the beginning of the novel, although living on the island was a new and scary experience for the boys, they were able to find leadership amongst each other and come up with a plan for survival until they were found on the island. That could have been defined as sanity but now at this point of the story there is madness. This all started when the boys weren't complying with their agreement to help out by hunting, and getting water, and when one of the other little boys claimed to see a beast in the woods. Now everyone is scared and arguing and this can be defined as madness. Some other instances of madness are the way piggy gets treated, and the way they treat his property. For example when the boys took his glasses to start the fire, and how they call him fat, and never care to hear any of his ideas.

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  26. The main problem between Ralph and Jack is that Ralph feels like he's doing all the work. Everyone else is not contributing as much as he is. Although, Jack doesn't feel that way at all. He feels that they'll do better in the future. Jack obviously doesn't think that there is a problem, but that's not how Ralph sees it.

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  27. Sanity is basically like reasonable and rational behavior. The novel contributes to that understanding because at the beginning everything was well and sane. Nothing was chaotic, until now. At this point, there is madness. People are not agreeing and arguing. Things started getting crazy ever since Ralph started taking charge and giving authority.

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  28. Sanity in lord of the flies is defined as madness . At first everyone in the novel had no arguments . They were fair with each other and had meeting to make rules and compromise . As the novel goes on everybody starts arguing . People aren't sticking to the agreement of the hunting and water . Other little boys are also claiming they saw beasty and got other boys even more scared . Piggy is also being treated very poorly . He is basically getting bullyed . Nobody is taking him into consideration . It's Madness , Insanity .

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  29. Sanity is described with anger, anger is has been broken from all of the boys except Ralph because he is seated. This novel contributes to an understanding of sanity and of madness because the author is showing a being, Ralph, as being normal and seated, while he describes the others as animals, like,, "the platform was full of arguing, gesticulating shadows". Some instances of madness in the novel is, "they refuse to work at building shelters, they do not gather drinking water, they neglect the signal fire, and they do not even use the designated toliet area". That shows madness because no one is acting civilized and are living like animals. They are becoming more apart and are becoming more free and soon, they will all turn on each other for the insanity they have all caused.

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